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Religion
opening a can of worms...
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 Religion, opening a can of worms... |
 Feb 27 2007, 07:13 PM
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 Shortcut Freak  Group: Moderator Posts: 490 Joined: 4-August 06 From: Romsey! Member No.: 45  |
basicaly, from what i've read on this forum, i was thinking theres at least a couple of people on here who i think are Christians (me being one of them)
i duno wat im saying or asking here really, mainly just having a nose at who on here are also Christians, or of other religions for that matter... im not very good at starting conversation, maybe someone else will be [admins feel free to remove if u think this is 2 risky/contraversial/non-pc] -------------------- Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of it's own.
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Feb 27 2007, 09:20 PM
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 Allegedly Legendary  Group: Members Posts: 512 Joined: 31-July 06 From: Winder, GA Member No.: 11 |
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Feb 27 2007, 09:50 PM
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 W.R. General  Group: Administrators Posts: 2,780 Joined: 4-April 06 From: Massachusetts - USA Member No.: 5 |
I'd like to ask anybody who posts in this thread to remain mature...
Oh, and add me to the list of Christians. -------------------- |
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Feb 27 2007, 10:08 PM
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Allegedly Legendary Group: Members Posts: 512 Joined: 31-July 06 From: Winder, GA Member No.: 11 |
QUOTE(herkalees @ Feb 27 2007, 09:50 PM)  I'd like to ask anybody who posts in this thread to remain mature... Does that mean I can't make fun of James? -------------------- |
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Feb 27 2007, 11:16 PM
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W.R. General Group: Administrators Posts: 2,780 Joined: 4-April 06 From: Massachusetts - USA Member No.: 5 |
QUOTE(TJSingleton @ Feb 27 2007, 10:08 PM) Does that mean I can't make fun of James? You both are Christians, so I don't see why not  But in all seriousness, we won't tolerate "my religion is better than yours"... I get enough of that offline. -------------------- |
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Feb 27 2007, 11:59 PM
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 the owner3r Group: Administrators Posts: 1,468 Joined: 4-April 06 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 4 |
I'm also Christian
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Feb 28 2007, 01:31 AM
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 W.R. Corporal  Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 31-July 06 Member No.: 16 |
hmm I avoid religion it seems to only cause trouble and put people against each other
I still believe in God though 
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Feb 28 2007, 04:17 AM
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 Loose bits sink chips Group: Administrators Posts: 2,064 Joined: 4-April 06 From: Kent, UK Member No.: 2 |
I'm an atheist.
I agree with MegaManX; religion does cause a lot of trouble and although you could argue that something else would take its place if religion were not there (and therefore trouble would still occur) the problem with religion is that, because it's based on faith and not rational reasoning, it easily allows for often obscene ideals to be justified. However, I do realise that belief in God (rather than religion itself) gives a lot of people a lot of happiness. -------------------- QUOTE(benbramz @ Aug 17 2007, 07:44 AM) Ive noticed that quite a few people are now adding quotes from the board into their signature. I think its started an new web-radiance craze.. :P |
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Feb 28 2007, 07:25 AM
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 Pedantic Whinger  Group: Members Posts: 237 Joined: 1-August 06 From: Southampton, UK Member No.: 23 |
/me waves the Secular Humanist flag
Religion is something I can rant about for hours and hours, so I'm going to stop before I even start  Though I'd have to disagree with Sirken; fideism has been denounced by the vast majority of the Christian churches over the years, citing proofs by Aquinas and suchlike as justification. I'm unsure as to where religions other than Judo-Christian stand on it, but I think that the vast majority of thiest believers would claim some logical grounds for their beliefs, be it cosmological, anthropic, ontological, or otherwise. This post has been edited by Shaking Spirit: Feb 28 2007, 07:26 AM -------------------- QUOTE(MSN) Benbramz says: i had orgasmic thoughts at the excitement of that |
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Feb 28 2007, 08:25 AM
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 Allegedly Legendary  Group: Staff Posts: 834 Joined: 26-July 06 From: Fort Wayne, Indiana Member No.: 7 |
I am a Christian.
And TJ, just remember what you give expect back
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Feb 28 2007, 09:20 AM
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 W.R. Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 205 Joined: 2-December 06 From: Oxford/Portsmouth, UK Member No.: 148 |
Yep, I'll be in the camp of Christian
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Feb 28 2007, 09:55 AM
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 The Graphix Dude Group: Administrators Posts: 1,107 Joined: 6-April 06 From: United Kingdom Member No.: 6 |
Ditto
though I'm not camp
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Feb 28 2007, 02:36 PM
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 The buddy system:never fails Group: Administrators Posts: 1,761 Joined: 4-April 06 Member No.: 1 |
QUOTE(benbacardi @ Feb 28 2007, 02:55 PM) though I'm not camp thats a matter of opinion... -------------------- QUOTE (Sirkent @ Sep 21 2007, 09:26 AM) <monty python high-pitched female voice>I DON'T LIKE SPAM!</monty python high-pitched female voice> |
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Feb 28 2007, 03:47 PM
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Allegedly Legendary Group: Members Posts: 512 Joined: 31-July 06 From: Winder, GA Member No.: 11 |
QUOTE(Sirkent @ Feb 28 2007, 04:17 AM) I'm an atheist. I'm an aatheist: I don't believe in atheists
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Feb 28 2007, 04:04 PM
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W.R. General Group: Administrators Posts: 2,780 Joined: 4-April 06 From: Massachusetts - USA Member No.: 5 |
TJ, come on.... I just looked up bait in the dictionary and it referred me to your post.
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Feb 28 2007, 06:33 PM
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Loose bits sink chips Group: Administrators Posts: 2,064 Joined: 4-April 06 From: Kent, UK Member No.: 2 |
QUOTE(Sirkent @ Feb 28 2007, 09:17 AM) the problem with religion is that, because it's based on faith and not rational reasoning... QUOTE(TJSingleton @ Feb 28 2007, 08:47 PM) I'm an aatheist: I don't believe in atheists Point proven then?
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Feb 28 2007, 06:48 PM
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Pedantic Whinger Group: Members Posts: 237 Joined: 1-August 06 From: Southampton, UK Member No.: 23 |
QUOTE(Sirkent @ Feb 28 2007, 11:33 PM) Point proven then? I believe that man will one day walk on mars. This is based on rational deduction and logical thinking, despite the fact that "I believe" it. Point not proven at all, and Wittgenstein is turning in his grave EDIT: I may be shaking at the wrong end of the stick, due to tiredness and general posting without thinking. If that's the case, ignore me
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Mar 1 2007, 04:43 AM
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Loose bits sink chips Group: Administrators Posts: 2,064 Joined: 4-April 06 From: Kent, UK Member No.: 2 |
Shaking, I wasn't referring to your point at all, I was responding to TJSingleton. I've given a great deal of thought to what you said, so let me clarify my position on this fideism.
When I talk to religious people, they often start out attributing their belief on (as you say) some logical grounds, be it cosmological, anthropic, ontological, or otherwise. Firstly, none of those things are evidence of the existence of god. You can believe they are, but there's no actual evidence and you can't really reason it, so it requires a leap of faith. Secondly, most religious people during a discussion at some point bring up their relationship with god. That is really why they believe and why they have faith. Nothing I can do can convince them otherwise, but outside of the individual that belief is meaningless, without evidence and cannot be reasoned. Just because someone else believes does not mean you should believe also. Lastly however, none of the above really matters! I was backing up my opinion that 'I don't really like religion'. Whether it's right or wrong doesn't change that I don't believe in God, which is what this topic is really about, although I'm more than happy to discuss it with you. Now as I said, my response was actually directed at TJSingleton. I'm not entirely sure what he was saying, but however I interpret it I find it insulting and yet practically meaningless. The statement tries to undermine atheism, but not actually say anything. I don't see how it's hard to understand my perspective. Putting it bluntly: I don't believe in God the same way I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy. Not believing in something is clearly something we're used to doing. I've also considered that this topic is entitled 'Religion', so I guess we're not moving off topic here. However Ineke, it's your topic, so feel free to police it - if people want to discuss these issues we can always discuss them elsewhere. -------------------- QUOTE(benbramz @ Aug 17 2007, 07:44 AM) Ive noticed that quite a few people are now adding quotes from the board into their signature. I think its started an new web-radiance craze.. :P |
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Mar 1 2007, 05:31 AM
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Shortcut Freak Group: Moderator Posts: 490 Joined: 4-August 06 From: Romsey! Member No.: 45 |
when i started this i was basicaly aiming to just start a conversation and i was being nosy
feel free to take this topic wherever it goes! -------------------- Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of it's own.
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Mar 1 2007, 05:33 AM
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Pedantic Whinger Group: Members Posts: 237 Joined: 1-August 06 From: Southampton, UK Member No.: 23 |
QUOTE(Sirkent @ Mar 1 2007, 09:43 AM) Firstly, none of those things are evidence of the existence of god. You can believe they are, but there's no actual evidence and you can't really reason it, so it requires a leap of faith. I know a fair few Intelligent Design fanatics who would disagree with you I think that there is plenty of evidence of a God, but no actual proof, and this is where your leap-of-faith comes in. However, lack of proof doesn't make belief in a concept illogical; Greek doctors had 'evidence' of the Four Humors, and they were taken as fact for hundreds of years, but the fact that they had no hard proof doesn't disqualify their reasoning.QUOTE(Sirkent @ Mar 1 2007, 09:43 AM) Secondly, most religious people during a discussion at some point bring up their relationship with god. That is really why they believe and why they have faith. Nothing I can do can convince them otherwise, but outside of the individual that belief is meaningless Ok, I can agree with you there QUOTE(Sirkent @ Mar 1 2007, 09:43 AM) Now as I said, my response was actually directed at TJSingleton. I'm not entirely sure what he was saying, but however I interpret it I find it insulting and yet practically meaningless. The statement tries to undermine atheism, but not actually say anything. Ignore silly flamebaitesque comments I believe TJ was alluding to the belief that God is inside us all (the Quaker 'inner light' springs to mind), but if TJ would explain himself better that would be great In anycase, I agree that's probably enough petty squabbling messing up the thread; if anyone would like to discuss things further, feel free to add me to MSN
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